John Hattie interviewed for Radio 4 by Sarah Montague

Snipped from www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04dmxwl

I don't know how long the BBC web-site will carry this 28 minute interview with John Hattie, author of Visible Learning, and respected authority on school-effectiveness.

But in case you cannot access the interview, here is a professionally created transcript [12 page 40kB PDF - not sure what is any IPR issues pertain to this.....].

Taken in the round, Hattie provides a calm and witty counter to many of the ideas used by what Pasi Sahlberg memorably describes as the Global Educational Reform Movement. [See also this 2012 interview with Pasi Sahlberg by John Hattie.]